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Saturday, December 26, 2009
inside of plane

I understand there are a lot of questions regarding the incident yesterday that occurred on a Northwest flight from Amsterdam to Detroit.

Due to an ongoing investigation, there is little I can say here on the blog, but you can go to TSA.gov to read the official DHS statement from Secretary Napolitano. I am also providing the statement below.

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DHS Secretary Napolitano Statement on Northwest Flight 253

December 26, 20091:00 p.m. EST

"I am grateful to the passengers and crew aboard Northwest Flight 253 who reacted quickly and heroically to an incident that could have had tragic results. The Department of Homeland Security immediately put additional screening measures into place- for all domestic and international flights- to ensure the continued safety of the traveling public. We are also working closely with federal, state and local law enforcement on additional security measures, as well as our international partners on enhanced security at airports and on flights.

The American people should continue their planned holiday travel and, as always, be observant and aware of their surroundings and report any suspicious behavior or activity to law enforcement officials.

Passengers flying from international locations to U.S. destinations may notice additional security measures in place. These measures are designed to be unpredictable, so passengers should not expect to see the same thing everywhere. Due to the busy holiday travel season, both domestic and international travelers should allot extra time for check-in."

Thanks,

Blogger Bob
TSA Blog Team

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***Update - 12/28/09***

Please visit TSA.gov for our current Q&As and any additional updates. The most recent Q&As are pasted below.

Q: What additional security measures is TSA taking domestically?

A: TSA has a layered approach to security that allows us to surge resources as needed on a daily basis. We have the ability to quickly implement additional screening measures including explosive detection canine teams, law enforcement officers, gate screening, behavior detection and other measures both seen and unseen. Passengers should not expect to see the same thing at every airport.

Q: What additional security measures are being taken for international flights to U.S. destinations?

A: TSA issued a directive for additional security measures to be implemented for last point of departure international flights to the United States. Passengers flying into the United States from abroad can expect to see additional security measures at international airports such as increased gate screening including pat-downs and bag searches. During flight, passengers may be asked to follow flight crew instructions, such as stowing personal items, turning off electronic equipment and remaining seated during certain portions of the flight.

Q: Do passengers need to do anything differently to prepare for checkpoint security procedures? Has anything changed in terms of what passengers can bring in their carry-on or checked bags?

A: At this time, security checkpoint requirements for passengers departing U.S. airports remain the same. Passengers do not need to do anything differently, but they may notice additional security measures at the airport.

Q: Should passengers plan to arrive at airports earlier than normal?

A: Passengers traveling within the United States should give themselves extra time to check in and proceed through the security checkpoint before their flight, especially during the busy holiday travel season. TSA advises that passengers traveling on international flights to U.S. destinations allow extra time for security and arrive an additional hour earlier.

Q: How long will these measures remain in place?

A: TSA will continuously review these measures to ensure the highest levels of security.

Thanks,

Bob Burns
TSA Blog Team

Comments

Submitted by Redmond_BP on

It's hardly "unpredictable" when airlines announce lockdowns during the last hour of flight into the US. If this is truly the TSA/DHS recommendation as claimed, then whats the difference between the last 30, 60, or 90 minutes of a flight? Does it matter, or is this another knee-jerk reaction to some idiot to show that "something" is being done, just like the whole shoe fiasco...?

Submitted by Sandra on
ALL your layers of security failed yet again.

So what is the response of the TSA - to add even more confusion to the process with the hope that with any kind of plain dumb luck, you'll be able to flummox another idiot terrorist wannabe?

How much is this going to cost the U. S. taxpayer and anyone else who chooses to fly?
Submitted by Jim Davis on

I am an American Citizen with absolutely no crime history or affiliation with anything illegal. I've been traveling world wide for over 40 years. *I* am on a watch list. Where is Umar's name on this list? What's wrong with this picture?

Submitted by Jeremy on

So we can sum it up as follows:

(1) TSA was too busy taking shampoo and toothpaste away from kids & little old ladies to notice a guy with explosives.

(2) The passengers on the plane did exactly the right thing.

(3) So TSA is instituting even more silly rules that will do nothing useful, since they're continuing to fight the last battle. "Nothing on laps" - does that mean I can't read a book for the last hour of my flight? Gimme a break...

Will TSA be encouraging airlines to sell diapers to passengers, now that passengers can't go to the bathroom for the last hour of a flight?

Someday we'll look back and realize that TSA was put into being as a full employment act for comedians - because it sure ain't doing anything to stop bad guys.

Submitted by Anonymous on

How does forcing pax to stay in their seats during the last hour of flight prevent some bumbling moron from lighting something in his pants?

Does TSA really think it is rational to prohibit passengers from accessing personal items for the last hour of flight? Does that include books? What's next; handcuffing passengers to their seats?

The idiots at TSA are "encouraging" pax to put their coats in checked baggage. Will TSA be accountable/responsible when the passengers get stranded in a cold location without their checked baggage and thus coats? Will TSA buy them new coats? will TSA be accountable for hypothermia, shock, or other illness of passengers who follow this suggestion?

TSA should take this opportunity to show that it is operating differently now than under the last administration. It would be nice if TSA would show that it has matured and does not need to engage in knee-jerk, irrational, and useless overreactions due to a failed plot by one or a few bumbling idiots.

What happened on the AMS-DTW flight was a success--passengers took care of the situation and the bumbling moron was neutralized. There's no need to ban objects or strip away the freedom and dignity of millions of travelers as a result of this.

Submitted by Marshall's SO on

I would advise the powers-that-be at DHS/TSA (as well as those at the airlines) to begin reading comments by readers of various newspaper articles on the subject of the most recent happening.

People are getting fed up with the TSA's knee-jerk reactions every time something happens. When, not if but when, people have had their fill of the antics of the TSA, they will stop all but the most necessary trips by air and both the TSA and the airlines will be out of business.

Submitted by Anonymous on

That's an awfully non-helpful statement. When flying to the US in the following days, are there, or are there not, any further restrictions. There is talk of limits to carry on. There is talk of total LGA ban. These are things the passenger has to know about before packing.

Submitted by My Friend on

So the TSA is saying methods are different from airport to airport and agent to agent and pilot to pilot because they're "designed to be unpredictable"?

Why not identify the most effective methods and use them everywhere? Maybe because the security is all for show and will only capture idiots who bring hand grenades and machetes? (And, of course, water, cottage cheese, Gatorade, lotion, shampoo, contact lens solution, hummus. . .) Hmm.

Wondering whether or not an agent will make a passenger take their bulky sweater off or confiscate their peanut butter or be seated certain minutes of a flight isn't going to thwart the sophisticated terrorist.

Designed to be unpredictable! It's always been chaos. Way to own it, TSA.

Submitted by The Inevitable ... on

How are you defining 'nothing on laps' in this new plan? I am, to be honest, a fat guy - does my belly count as a problem? If I'm reading a book, does that count? What if I have to go to the lavatory, do I have to get a warrant or an escort?

What do people with small children do in these situations, when they can't get the sippy-cups for the kids, or perhaps a binkie or a toy for the child to hold, or even with a smaller child who needs burping or comfort from their mother?

This is absolute foolishness and security theatre instead of actual work. Please undo the hair-trigger and find a proper rule that is not designed as a complete inconvenience.

Submitted by Anonymous on

"Due to an ongoing investigation, there is little I can say here on the blog..."

what a poignant statement on the worthlessness of the TSA and this blog.

Submitted by Anonymous on

To sandra...
all our layers failed again??? did u not read the article??? that flight didnt originate in the united states so technically TSA didnt fail...
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To jeremy....

u said
What happened on the AMS-DTW flight was a success--passengers took care of the situation and the bumbling moron was neutralized. There's no need to ban objects or strip away the freedom and dignity of millions of travelers as a result of this.
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i do agree with you that the passengers on that flight did the right thing absolutely but so what?? should we just let everything go thru the checkpoint and hope that the passengers notice and take care of it if another situation occurs on an airplane??? because maybe next time the passangers wont notice or maybe the next set of passangers wont be so straightforward or have the gumption to jump in and neutralize the passenger..then what??? didnt think that one thru did ya???? lol

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Submitted by Anonymous on

TSA is running in circles with absolutely no clue as to what to do. My suggestion is to do nothing, but to be aware that other attempts might be made and to be watchful for those attempts. In the meantime relax the restrictions on LGA so as to allow TSOs to concentrate on WEI.

Now is not the time to panic, but to have cooler heads prevail.

Submitted by What Ever on

Ummm... TSA did NOT do the screening on this passenger - the flight was coming INTO the US from Amsterdam. I would hope that most people would be more understanding now of why TSA does what they do instead of finding yet more reasons to bash them. Listen to the WHOLE news story before running to this blog to insult the men and women who work diligently everyday and give up their holidays to assure the traveling public is safe - yes, even all of the hateful people on this blog!!! They have a job to do - just like each of you do. Adding unpredictability to the screening process may be an inconvenience, but it's a small one considering that there are people who wish to do harm to the US and doing the same procedures identically every time just aids the bad guy to know what to expect - now THAT would be DUMB!!! Seriously, how horrible is it to have to take off your shoes - I am happy to do it! Glad to see you all have nothing better to do than to waste your lives away worried that you might have to spend an extra 1 or 2 minutes being screened. It takes a lot more time to post to this blog than it does to put your shoes back on!!!

Submitted by James Phillips on

I came to the TSA website because I did not believe the rules as stated by a random Slashdot commenter:

- Not allowed to have any items or anything on your lap for the last 1 hour of flight
- Not allowed to go to toilet during that time either
- Crew doesn't tell about cities or landmarks so passengers don't know where they are flying (it's so hard to time that on clock)


I was surprised to learn the the "official" rules are even worse:
Passengers flying from international locations to U.S. destinations may notice additional security measures in place. These measures are designed to be unpredictable, so passengers should not expect to see the same thing everywhere. -bolding mine.

The Montreal Gazette
backs up the Slashdot poster's assessment.

The rules, as stated, are stupid and contradictory. Passengers will know when they are close to their destination because they will be asked to put their things away! I suspect the "real" rules are secret because you can get an exemption if you say you have to got to the toilet. Otherwise, you may have a passenger revolt.

We have seen how fast passengers can turn on would-be terrorists: imagine a dozen passengers (and their immediate companions) after they are told they can't go pee (or no. 2) for an hour, even if they really have to go. Now imagine they were not told about this restriction ahead of time for "security reasons."

Submitted by Anonymous on

You do realize that literally no one trusts you or takes you seriously, yes?

Submitted by Mike4Fun on

Unpredictable?? How about the sss on a boarding pass? Could anything be more obvious?

Submitted by Anonymous on

The new rules are the most inane, idiotic guidelines. What does being strapped down the last hour do? Okay, so terrorists will detonate their bombs over the ocean, when they're allowed to get up.

Doesn't it make more sense to do an extra ten layers of search to those who are on a watch list? Doesn't it make sense to pat those people down instead of installing more stupid rules? TSA - you need to do your job smarter. The reason why fellow passengers are taking their lives into their own hands is because the government isn't able to.

Submitted by Anonymous on

My favorite part of this are the witch-hunters in this post declaring TSA has failed yet again, though they seem to not be intelligent enough themselves to read the news and see that this was NOT a flight from inside the US, and that this man was flying in from AMSTERDAM. Last I was in Amsterdam, there was not TSA there. You did not hear of this happening on a domestic flight. HMMM I wonder why?

Submitted by Anonymous on

I think in failing this individual will have a greater impact on air travel than he would have had he succeeded.

Also re: the new "1 hour before landing, now sit quietly in your seats children" rule. Why does this only aply to international flights? If this is not just more theater it should apply to domestic flights also. Care to comment on that?

Submitted by O Bloody Hell on

This event is a clear precursor to separating passengers by sex, then utilizing the previously-objected to ultraviolet scan which essentially renders the individual naked, viewed (supposedly) only by same-sex TSA employees.

Take that as positive or negative. It's a strip-search without the strip, basically.

Submitted by Bill on

Sandra,

How did "ALL" of TSA's layers of security fail "yet again"?

This passenger was coming in on a flight from overseas, Amsterdam to be exact. TSA doesn't screen passengers in the Netherlands.

Bill

Submitted by Anonymous on

Jeremy, TSA didn't screen this guy. TSA is a US Federal agency; not international. How is it TSA's "fault" this guy got through Amsterdam's security? And, TSA has no control over the plane once it's in the air and don't make rules aboard aircraft.
Jim Davis, are you really on a watch list? what list? And if you were a criminal, you'd tell us, right? Also, Umar was on a list.
Think about it, folks. The bad guys aren't going to come out a declare they are bad guys. That's why there are security measures.
Clearly, the only thing that would satisfy some of you is if we had no security at all. You gripe about TSA but come up with no solutions. Whining gets you no where.

Submitted by Anonymous on

Maybe the TSA will ban underwear and books. Makes about as much sense as their newest rules.

What happened to patting down passengers traveling from known terrorist cities, and not allowing ANYONE on a watch list on a plane?

Maybe it makes too much sense?

Submitted by Anonymous on

Sandra, you said "ALL your layers of security failed yet again." Hard to claim that considering that the individual that did this got on the plane in Amsterdam, where TSA does not operate. This person got on a plane in Nigeria, notoriously bad at security, and according to multiple news reports, was not rescreened in Amsterdam.

Submitted by Anonymous on

With as annoying as it is getting to fly, soon the only passengers will be terrorists.

I really can't wait for high speed trains.

Submitted by Melissa on

The most incomprehensibly stupid move by the TSA to date. You had warning six months in advance that this guy was potentially a threat, did NOTHING, and now are subjecting all of the other passengers to yet more stupid restrictions (which, by the way, do absolutely nothing but anger law-abiding citizens) to make it look like you're doing something. Why not fix your broken system instead of making it worse? And I agree with Anonymous that this is going to hurt the airlines as well, and they're already struggling.

Then again, not taking responsibility for your actions IS the American way.

Submitted by Anonymous on

TSA = america's shame

Submitted by Rob Pugh on

Reports coming in of these "additional measures" - via BoingBoing - "I took an early morning flight on Delta from Latin America to the US, among the first international flights subject to a TSA security directive issued this morning.

As we boarded, the flight attendants announced that all passengers would be prohibited from getting out of their seats (for instance, to go to the toilet) or from using any electronic devices (phones, laptops, games) or having anything on their laps (even a book or a blanket) during the last hour of the flight. I tweeted about it from the plane. Bottom line, the new rules make your fellow passengers farty and crosslegged (ever try not going to the bathroom during the last part of a really long-haul international flight?), the flight attendants seemed to be just as annoyed about the meritless new rules as the passengers, and we were none the safer. The worst part? None of this would have stopped the pantsbomber."

Good to see the TSA is continuing with its overreacting full retard security theater responses. Because what would have prevented a bomber attempting to light a crude incendiary in his seat is banning bathroom visits, books and electronics. Honestly, the cluelessness is astounding.

Submitted by SashaJo on

Now there's talk of no electronics being allowed on international flights? Really, TSA? Where shall I put my $3000 laptop when I have to travel with it? Perhaps it will end up in your break rooms like the OTC meds one of you morons confiscated from my checked luggage? The theater of security that you all practice is absurd. I am the person who turns off my cell phone when I'm supposed to, stays in my seat with a seat belt when I'm not running off to the potty and am respectful of the crew. Now you'd just as soon treat me like a criminal or a terrorist due to the incompetency of security "experts" that get us through the gate and onto our flights? Wake up, nimrods. Do your job and let me get where I'm going. But, I'm curious... What are you going to do when people start to soil the seats?

Submitted by Carla Anderson on

Dear TSA:

Here's a new idea for you: instead of burdening passengers with all manner of idiotic rules which do ***NOTHING*** to increase safety you just institute a new rule which says all passengers must be sedated during flight? Knock us out when we take off, wake us up when we land and everyone's happy. Sure make my flight a lot more bearable since I'd not have to hear the squalling infant two rows back or have the jerk in front of me put his seat back and squash me.

Honestly, all these asinine and utterly useless rules do is make people angry and provide us with the illusion of security. Why not just admit that all of your rules haven't made ONE WHIT of a difference? Oh, that's right, because the Government™ can never admit that it's wrong about anything. So instead of real security we get security theater.

The terrorists have apparently won, and you are their willing dupes.

From now on when I need to travel in the country I'll be taking the bus or driving. They might not be as fast, but they'll require far fewer of my rights to be violated to employ them.

Submitted by Avxo on

Jeremy wrote: "(1) TSA was too busy taking shampoo and toothpaste away from kids & little old ladies to notice a guy with explosives."

The flight originated from Schiphol -- an airport in the Netherlands. Now, I hate to break this to you, but the Netherlands is a sovereign country. In other words, it is not under the jurisdiction of the TSA, and TSA officers are not responsible for the physical screening of passengers at Schiphol.

Let me restate this: no TSA officers were involved in the physical screening of those boarding this flight.

There are legitimate questions to ask of TSA, including why did they approve the manifest of passengers if, as reported, this guy is on a no-fly list?

But to suggest that TSA officers ought to have noticed a guy with explosives half-way around the world, at an airport where they don't have jurisdiction is the crux of stupidity.

Submitted by Randy on

I encourage everyone, including TSA and DHS personnel, to read this posting by Bruce Schneier: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/12/separating_expl.html.

After a few more incidents the passengers will be anesthetized and naked.

I really wonder *who* actually believes that these reactions increase safety.

Big Sigh,
Randy

Submitted by Jonmark on

Your chances of being killed in a vending machine accident are higher than your chances of being killed by terrorists.

The DHS/TSA is out of control -an ineffective, incompetent joke. Who profits from this enormous expense? Certainly not passengers and crew. You want to stop terrorism? Stop terrorizing innocent people.

Submitted by Anonymous on

As an American I am embarrassed that a government agency is such a reactive agency and not a proactive one. Seriously, restricting passengers from getting up during the last hour of flight is not going to stop someone from committing an act of violence. All TSA is doing is hurting innocent people by forbidding them to use their ipods, read a book, stay warm and cozy with a pillow and blanket.

Is this a conspiracy to make the airlines more money? They charge us for checking bags, food, drinks, etc. Now TSA wants us to check bags to limit carry-on baggage. $$$ in the airlines pocket. It's pure profit.

Nothing in TSA's latest measures add security for the passengers. It just adds frustration and makes people miserable. Welcome to America.

Submitted by Ninidee on

So what are we all going to do during that last hour on the flight besides twiddle our thumbs? Passenger singalongs perhaps? That should get a policy reversal in short order.

Submitted by Njhp on

I think we need to step back - readers and travelers and TSA management - and think about some key issues.

The screeners who failed to find the explosives were in non-U.S. airports. Clearly, we're not all on the same page. Not good.

Randomized and non-published screening procedures were established world-wide, which is a known and accepted way to deal with terrorist threats. Good.

On the other hand, taking our paperback books and Sudoku magazines away for an hour makes no sense. I've seen flight attendants miss rule-breaking passengers over and over on recent flights (cell phone users, for example) and I think part of the long-term solution is integrating flight attendants more fully into the enforcement/compliance model. They look so hard at who puts which carryons where and totally miss the guy who's talking on the phone during taxi time.

Having said that, I also don't think terrorists (or the traveling public) are stupid enough to fail to recognize initial descent when it begins, whether or not it's announced. They can also figure out, at least generally, where the airplane is based on average ground speed, topographical features, Internet data and maps - it's not like landing time (or location) is going to be some big surprise. We need staff training (airline, airport, TSA, etc.), better screening (sorry, whole-body imaging opponents), and public vigilance. We don't need to put all our toys away an hour before landing.

Submitted by Anonymous on

Since this latest idiot apparetly packed his underwear with something flammable/explosive, how long will it be until we're taking our pants off for screening?

Submitted by Laura on

Blogger Bob, I know you can't say much right now, but it would be helpful to those of us who fly frequently to have very clear and specific guidelines about what to expect ASAP.

Also, I'm very curious as to how this rumored "last hour" policy will be enforced. Are flight attendants really expected to prevent a child or an elderly adult who need to use the restroom from doing so for over an hour (and, given taxi and unloading times, we're probably talking closer to 90-100 minutes)? How are parents supposed to keep their infants and small children calm without having items in their lap? And what is so special about the last hour of a flight? Surely the TSA is not basing an entire policy off of this one attempt. Clarification would be greatly appreciated.

Submitted by Anonymous on

Serious question for Bob: Would you feel safe flying on an international flight tomorrow?

Submitted by Michael Leonard on

Dear TSA when I traveled a few months ago between Las Vegas and Oakland you confiscated a jar of cactus salsa from my female companion, which she had purchased to use in a dinner for her mother upon returning from her trip to a national park, and this really upset her as she could not understand why your agency would spoil things for a loyal American and why your agents can not tell the difference between cactus salsa and dangerous substances.

Needless to say I was also disturbed by the apparent incompetence of your security agents and your indiscriminate policies and so I intend to travel by train on my trip next week and I will not fly again unless there is no other viable option or until your agency comes to it's senses.

Submitted by Anonymous on

Quit treating American citizens as criminals. Quit enacting ridiculous procedures to make it look like you are doing something. Your war on fluids isn't working, it's a joke.

Get sniffers at the entry points. If you can't afford electronic sniffers, get bomb sniffing dogs out there. Let people bring non-dangerious liquids again. Let people wear shoes again. Stop the THEATRE, and act smart.

Submitted by Anonymous on

Why are all of you so strong against TSA? They are here to protect us. Would you rather they do nothing and let the terrorists do whatever they want? If security wasn't as strict as it already is Abdul Mutallab would have been able to bring even more dangerous materials on the plane and the plot would have been successful. TSA would have alot easier time defending us from terrorists without people like you guys that attack them for every single thing they do.

Submitted by Quantumslip on

TSA, i really hope you take a closer look at what you've done. i understand the 100% secondary screening part, but everything else related to the 1-hour rule is IMO stupid and does nothing to prevent terrorists from trying to blow up a plane. for once, they could just do it sooner, or look out the window (or even estimate) to know where they are approximately. instead we have babies unable to play with toys, magazines taken up, IFE turned off, and all other sorts of ridiculous actions that only serve to hurt the passengers and the reputation of the United States. Come to your senses, and implement measures that actually do something!

Submitted by Anonymous on

The TSA has outlived its usefulness and now needs to be disbanded. They do nothing to enhance the security of the flying public and have only earned the scorn and ridicule of the American public. It now exhibits the behavior and qualities of a bloated bureaucracy and does not understand operational risk assessment and the usefulness of self reflection and modification to better is operational capability. If I were to meet a TSA employee at a party I would be amazed if they could hold an intelligent conversation about any matter of weight and not just spout party lines. It seems like too many of then have drunk the koolaid.

Submitted by Trollkiller on

Blogger Bob, where is the statement from Gale? Isn't she running the show anymore? Oh wait I know she is spending all her time creating a new SOP to give to Rep. Dent.

Sorry to sound so snarky Blogger Bob, but this time you guys screwed up big time and it was only by the Grace of God and a Dutchman that Abulwhatever failed.

I hope you at least get overtime for all these weekends you have been putting in.

To Sandra:
Not all layers failed, remember we the passengers are a layer.

Submitted by Anonymous on

Are you freaking kidding me?! Fare-paying, law-abiding citizens aren't allowed to have ANYTHING on our laps, even a book, when the perpetrator entered in Nigeria, not the US? And now, apparently, we're going to have to wear Depends during the final part of the flight?

You. Have got. To be kidding me.

Submitted by Anonymous on

First of all the terrorist came from Nigeria through Amsterdam. TSA officers were not responsible for this tragic event. Maybe if you all would quit whining and actually listen to the facts, you would know what really happend.

Submitted by LivingWithCrohns on

Yet more knee jerk reactions from TSA and you had absolutely nothing to do with the situation. Some of the recommendations must be a sick joke. Are you trying to kill the airline industry and tourism in america because thats what your doing with the whole LGA and other TSA lunacy.


TSA is so poorly run and there are so many holes (cargo, background checks, failed red team tests, baggage theft,etc) its not even funny. you cant even do the job you were originally chartered to do let alone any of the mission creep you have slithered into. Speaking of baggage theft has more then quadrupled since TSA has taken over. I have had more items stolen since TSA took over then I ever did before TSA. The only reason I got compensated for my losses is because I took all sides involved (including Airline, FSD, AFSD, DFSD, all individuals that touched my property - thanks to a photographic memory) to small claims court to seek damages and replacement of said property.

I already dont trust TSA as far as i can accurately shoot. This just adds to it the distrust.

DHS/TSA admins need to think long and hard because if they take a hard stance on the time issue, they will be facing the wrath of ADA rights groups. The Americans with Disabilities Act was put into place to protect americans who have various disabilities, and ADA has very stiff penalties for violators. You may think that you cant sue the government but thats not true and even under ADA government entities are not exempt and can be sued.

In my case i have crohns, which means when i have to go your not gonna stop me or your gonna have a mess all over the place, cause i will be going one way or the other.

I really dare you to stop me if i have to go to the bathroom cause the moment you threaten me its assault, touch me its battery, and i will defend myself and then file charges. you would be amazed at how quickly people change there tune when the real threat of arrest and a lawsuit isnt a threat but a promise.

Furthermore if you have me arrested under this proposed rule that violates ADA you can guarantee a ADA lawsuit will be filed on my behalf by anyone of the Crohns support/foundations or advocacy groups.

Submitted by Ibneko on

It's a pity there's no alternative to flying with the "protection" of the TSA... if I had the option to fly with a privately own airport-airline and could sign a waiver stating that, "no, I understand the risks that I'm taking by flying, and I agree that my plane may be blown up at any time by missiles should it stray from the designated flight path or be hijacked," I would probably sign that and fly using that method in a heartbeat. And I'd pay extra, especially if it saves me time and trouble. I'd bet they'd be safer too.

Just imagine that: an airline, airport, flight routes, security (or lack thereof)... everything completely owned by a private company! Less Knee-jerk reactions to situations, especially ones that may make customers leave and fly using a different service.

Too bad we don't have a high speed rail service across the USA... although I guess that may also fall under the control of "TSA". Pity.

Submitted by Aindyin on

So once again in order to appear to be doing something the TSA will make use sit in our seats with nothing to do for the last hour while at the same time increasing airline revenue by forcing us to pay to check all our stuff. Why dont you try profiling these peeps oh wait that aint PC.

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