Small Pocket Knives and Sporting Goods Items
Toys such as bats, hockey sticks and such should be checked only. There's no reason to bring them into the cabin of the plane. You should stop all carry on and overhead storeage.
I am confused about the no molded grip on small bladed knife policy.
The example image located here: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GpOhCOv9Lis/UTZcEMnsYiI/AAAAAAAACnQ/bn1G0Rt7tP... depicts allowed knifes which have molded plastic grips.(Knifes 1,2,4 and 6)
Could you please post a clarification.
I wouldn't own a knife that doesn't lock open. I thought I saw a shimmer of hope in what TSA was doing but alas...not so much.
I wouldn't own a knife that doesn't lock open. I thought when I saw the headline of this article that there was a shimmer of hope in what TSA was doing.....alas, not so much.
If getting in line with ICAO is a TSA goal then why are we still removing shoes and submitting to electronic strip searches?
So now we can have the TSO's open knives to see how long the blade is? Last I knew that is the only way you can tell, seems that we may have a lot of claims for knife cuts.
A small knife is fine. Attempt to bring a bottle of water through security, though, and well, that makes you a threat.
So--has the Tsa ever found anything explosive, or detonators, or anything capable of bringing down an aircraft. I don't want to bring down the wrath of god on me here but if I go into a lavatory with my allowable lighter and a small bottle of allowable cognac and all that toilet tissue
am I not a risk????
of course they wont stop all carryons, they are ripping us off charging for luggage. NO reason to allow pocket knives on an airliner.
TSA needs to be changed to a private operation, get rid of the delays at airports
I agree w/Anonymous, bats, hockey sticks, and anything that could be used as a weapon should not be allowed in the plane cabin. Nothing was said about scissors, are they allowed?
The illustration "Knives Allowed" is misleading and/or contradictory in regard to the standard Swiss Army Knife (Victorinox.) The blade (i.e., the sharp part) is 6cm length, but the illustration shows the measurement starting below the blade where the tang emerges from the body of the knife. An inspector who measures in accord with this diagram will take your knife.
Thank you for this update. I have had to surrender a small non-locking Swiss-army knife at the security gate in the past. I use them for personal grooming, to cut loose threads, open letters, etc., when travelling. I am glad you can allow us this little travelling convenience and thank you again for taking the time to reconsider your position on very small knives. I very much appreciate this new position.
You could go back to pre-9/11 rules if the airlines would just hire retiring NFL linemen and NHL "enforcers" as cabin attendants.
What about multi-tools like Leatherman and Gerber tools? There is no mention, so I assume if the blades are 2.36" or less, and 1/2" wide or less, they are fine?
BTW, who is clown telling us not to carry anything onboard? Who do you think you are? If you don't want me to carry my duffle and laptop, you know where to go! It makes me sick that people like this care so much about what others are doing. You libs and do-gooders are ruining are nation. Keep your yap shut, mind your business, and don't look at me. If you can't handle that, drive your Subaru to your destination. Leave the rest of us alone!!
I strongly disagree with your decision to permit small knives in carry-ons after April 25. I find it hard to understand why you are permitting passengers to pack knives. I think sticking with your stricter carry on policies have been successful overall since 9/11, and I'm willing to wait in longer lines that take longer to feel safe. I do not feel safe knowing knives of any size are going to be permitted.
Whats important is there is no reason you should have any of these "tools" on here anyway, bottom line, just get all this stuff checked in with your luggage and you don't have to worry about the specific rules.
"So I take it that Box Cutters are OK?
March 5, 2013 at 10:11 PM"
Regarding box cutters and razor blades, Pistole said:
“The sensitivity to those who were attacked on 9/11 still resonates strongly,” Pistole said. “There’s just too much emotion associated with them, particularly the box cutters.”
So now the USA is operating "security" based on emotion, not reality.
Wow...some common sense is shown by the TSA. Although the restrictions on knives is probably going to cause knives that are permitted to be confiscated.
Now you just need to remove or lessen the liquid restrictions. There is no reason for bottles of water, shampoo, and toothpaste to be banned. It makes no sense that a larger bottle of water is banned, but several small bottles are permitted. It's the same volume of liquid.
Can someone please explain to me why 2 Golf Clubs are not a threat, but 3 are? This is a BAD IDEA and I'm glad the Flight Attendants at Southwest are putting up a fight. I hope more do.
The greatest weapon mankind has is the mind; improvised weapons are nothing new. Small knives can't reach vitals, but box cutters can? Egads...Can't believe they're letting clubs on the plane, either; how do I fit my caddy in my carry-on?!?
That's nice. Now, how many countries require all passengers to remove their shoes for a TSA-style shoe carnival? How many countries use dangerous, untested naked body scanners for primary screening?
Glad for this minor improvement to the rules, since I always carry a pocketknife, and it's inconvenient to have to check it when I fly.
I hope the rest of the TSA nonsense (removal of shoes & light jackets, porno scanners, sexual assault pat-downs and liquid ban) will be next to go.
Agreed...no reason to have ANY of these "weapon like" items on board aircrapt...PERIOD!! LOL...but I guess it's easier to bring a plane down with 3.1 oz of shampoo than one of these items! Very sad!!!
To those who do not like TSA's new rule, are really so afraid of a little knife or whiffle bat or a golf club? Do you have any of these items in your home? Do you visit homes or businesses where these items may exist?
Is it that you are scared someone will attack you personally?
The TSA policies and procedures are not in place to keep you personally safe from all dangers from attack by anyone. The guy sitting behind you could take his laptop and bash you in the head, and the TSA wouldn't be responsible at all.
Or is it that somehow a "bad guy" with a pocketknife or golf club will crash a plane?
The TSA policies and procedures are in place to make people feel like there is less of a chance of a "bad guy" crashing a plane. Knives (and guns!) have been getting on planes for the past twelve years. Did they take any plane down? No.
Someone with a pocketknife, whiffle bat, souvenir bat, golf club, or lacrosse stick won't get through a hardened, locked cockpit door. This same person is going to face 100-200 very scared, very angry passengers and flight staff who will NOT let some "bad guy" crash the plane.
The people actually on the plane are who are keeping planes safe from "bad guys," not a bunch of TSA screeners on the ground.
I travel twice a month, and just don't understand how sealed wataer bottles, cream cheese and liquid restrictions make any sense---wouldn't 3 liquid ounces of hydrochloric acid cripple attendants, couldn't use wrench the side off a table and use that metal as a weapon.
I can carry on my 14 inch metal knitting needles which could skewer anybody---but cream cheese is dangerous???
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Can I bring my little 1.5" letter opener with a "fixed" blade? It is fixed in a little tab of plastic but I fear it will be excluded because it does not pivot.
Anyone with any knowledge of airline security can tell you it is simply a false sence of security to a great degree. That said no explosive has brought down an airplane in the recent past but small knives in the form of box cutters has. It makes no sence to allow them on board. In a phone call to TSA the representative could not give any explanation of why this measure has been relaxed. I think it is time we demand replacement of Mr. John S Pistole, head of tsa, before he allows even less intellegent security measures in the future.
"...That said no explosive has brought down an airplane in the recent past but small knives in the form of box cutters has..."
Now that we have secured cockpit doors and a plane full of passengers who will fight back, box cutters aren't going to get a terrorist far....
I intentionally did not include the crew among those who will fight back because flight attendant unions' responses to relaxing the knife and sports equipment restrictions suggest that flight attendants as a class will cower at the sight of a wielded pocket knife rather than fight back. I do not think that all flight attendants are so faint-hearted, but the unions are speaking for all of them. I am quite dismayed to see such timidity and unfounded fear from those who have safety responsibilities on board....
Lifting these restrictions is sensible (though I, too, wonder why someone traveling with golf clubs would have only two of them). Now let's see the restrictions on liquids lifted, end of the shoes-off policy, the end of the body scanners (some of which emit unknown levels of radiation and all of which take invasive photos of passengers' naked bodies), and the end of the enhanced patdowns (i.e., the groping). Let's go back to pre-9/11 security or make the PreCheck approach (with some revisions) the default for all passengers. Let's see some real risk assessment.
First.... seriously! What makes molded grip more dangerous?
".. I do not feel safe knowing knives of any size are going to be permitted."
Maybe you are the kind that should stick to the roads and leave air travel to the adults who can understand the risk-vs-benefit analysis that modern living requires. If people with pocket knives are so scary why aren't the people with scissors equally scary? The scissors are probably more deadly to you.
I agree that this makes little sense and that those things do not need to be carried on board. However, it would make sense to allow shampoo/water and lip gloss.
As far as the guy above who thinks he should be allowed to carry his duffle on board - why? It only takes more time to load the plane and I see more and more people bringing bigger and bigger "duffles".
I won't check my laptop because of the risk of damage by the guys loading the plane when they throw it to wherever it's supposed to end up, but it is in a regular laptop case - approximately the size of a briefcase.
So now you're allowing sharp knives... Yet I can't bring a bottle of water or a large bottle of cologne through security? Very logical...
Small knife is even more dangerous. Because you might not know he has the knife in the customer custody. I think no weapon is better. Small or big they are all weapon.
How about we let my wife bring on knitting needles again? Keps her calm which makes my life happier. Seriously, no one is gonna hijack an airplane with knitting needles.
The devil is in the details...
Your announcement says, and poster illustrates, "Small Novelty Bats and Toy Bats," but the rule says bats under 24 inches in length, or more than 24 inches in length but weighing less than 24 ounces are permitted. Bats under 24 inches in length but of any weight are permitted? Say a 23 inch long bat made of solid steel? Quite the novelty indeed. Bats longer than 24 inches that weigh less than 24 ounces are permitted? The Combat B4 Portent -8 32” 24 oz for example? http://www.combatsportsgroup.com/combat/pg_GearProduct.php?int_ProductId... Batter up!
Only two golf clubs are permitted. Are an unlimited number of Bats, Ski Poles, Hockey Sticks, Lacrosse Sticks, and Billiard Cues permitted?
This is poor judgement on TSA's part. One can take a small knife and other now approved objects on board, but not allowed to get a sealed bottle of H2O through the checkpoint. What are you thinking? The safety of flight crew and fellow passengers more at risk from these objects that a bottle of water. Why would you need any of these newly approved items in the cabin with you? If you do, you're probably up to no good and should be on the no-fly list. Keep it in your checked bags.